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Another adventure, as they head off with the Red Coats to hunt the two escaped prisoners...Interesting that Pip refers to the convict he had met as "my convict"...
Both Joe and Pip are hoping that they don't find the two convicts. What are some of the reasons that they are hoping they don't find them?
Why does the convict say that he was the one who stole the goods from Joe's house? What motivation does he have to take the blame for something he really didn't do?
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As Joe and Pip hunted for his convict, both were slightly worried about actually finding the convict. Pip thought that if the convict were to be found by them and then see Pip, he would think that Pip called the police and led them to his capture. Im sure that his mind also went back to the crazy man that the convict warned him about if he was not to bring him the file and food. I beleive that Joe was frightened only because he didnt know how dangerous this convict could be. The most interesting part in the chapter, I think, is when the convict takes the blame. When he looks at Pip, he has the most "attentive" look Pip has ever seen. I think he took the blame because he trusted Pip because he stole the goods to bring to the convict and risked so much for him. I think that the convict took the blame because he was already in trouble and it couldnt get much worse. He protected Pip.
Throughout chapters 5 and 6 I could see the close bond between Pip and Joe. When Pip and the rest of soldiers find the convicts, Pip realizes that was the man he had stolen food for. Pip becomes worried that "his" convict will tell on him for Pip was the one who stole the food. Pip is worried for he doesn't want to hurt the relationship between him and Joe for Pip respects him. I'm assuming the convict feels guilty for having Pip risk punishment for stealing the food in the first place so he decided to take the blame. The convict was also already caught so he might have seen it as a fair situation for Pip having done the dirty work already.
I think that Pip was scared to find the covict in fear that he would expose him for stealing food for him, but in reference to the "my convict" I think that Pip and the convict had forged some kind of twisted bond. Even though it started on fear and threats, the convict didn't give Pip up for stealing the food. Also, Pip tried to non verbally let the convict now that he wasn't reponsible for his capture. Joe seems to be a rather kind person, and he probaby thought that the convict deserved his chance to escape.
Joe's occupation of being a blacksmith is relevant to how he molds and shapes Pip as a character. In chapter 9, Pip opens up to Joe by telling him the truth of what happened at Miss Havisham's manor. Even though Joe is astonished by the lies Pip told him beforehand, Joe advises Pip to stay grounded within his own class and tells him that he can succeed someday if he remains honest with others. I feel that in further chapters the theme of social class and improvement will become a central idea. After Pip's stay at Miss Havisham's place, you get a feel for the emotion Pip bears about his appearance and social status. Estella makes an impact on Pip for he becomes more aware of what he lacks. Surprisingly, Pip finds liking with Estella even though she is cold and manipulative. I think Pip and Estella will form a common bond between the differences of their social status'.
I agree with Courtney's connection between Joe's occupation and how he is molding Pip. I also think that Miss Havisham is greatly impacting Pip as well. When he first went to her house, he was embarassed by his coarse hands and thick boots. However, that influences Pip to take extra lessons from Biddy to become more educated and less "common". I think that later in the book it will become more apparent that by spending many days at Miss Havisham's, Pip will become a more civilized and educated.
Just as others have said before me, Pip, excited about going into the night to help the sergeant find the convicts, forgot about the result of another encounter with those convicts. It's interesting that, to an extent, it seemed that Pip was not afraid of what the convicts would do to him if they believed he told on them (for the sergeant and his troop were there), but he feared appearing as a rat, even to criminals. Honestly, I keep thinking, but I can't seem to understand or find a good reason why Joe did not want to find the convicts, especially because he was the one that wished to go into the night and search for them. I'm not sure why the convict took the blame of stealing; that surely won't help him as he's getting locked back up. Although there may be two reasons for it. First, it might have been used to scare Pip, for he talks about eating, but does not specify that he stole it until the end of his confession/story. Also, he could just be reminding Pip of the occurance, hoping that it would provoke guilt. Second, his false confession could be a tactic he uses to gain "power." He shows that he had the capabilities to steal and not even be detected, and if he's going back to jail anyway, what's the point of not flaunting?
What's intriguing is that Pip's convict would have rathered getting captured, giving up his freedom, than letting another, whom did not work to escape, gain freedom as well.
Joe and Pip do not want to find themselves in the middle of conflict and disunity among them accompanied by the soldiers. The story takes place in the middle of night, where they are obviously exposed by the torch. It was more of general fear of being seen in a terrible environment with the escaped convicts and cut throats. Pip and his convict came to a general agreement with one another, with Pip fearing for his life and in return the convict got food and supplies. I think the convict also understood Pip's position and let him off the hook with his thievery for showing him albeit forced, kindness.
I agree with Robin. Pip was afraid that if they were to find the two convicts his convict would spot him and assume that he told the others about him. He didn't want his convict to think that he betrayed him. Pip might also be worried that the other convict will get revenge on him because he keeps thinking about the first time he met his convict and what his convict told him about the other man. Joe is just frightened because he doesn't know what to expect from the convicts, and he doesn't know how dangerous they could be. Pip's convict takes the blame for Pip because Pip made a promise to him and he went through with it. This scene really showed the convict's kindness.
I agree with everyone above. I think Pip was excited to be able to go on this hunt but then realized that if his convict tattled on him that he might end up in some trouble as well, or his life could be at risk. I think this chapter started to show more of the close relationship between Joe and Pip and I think we'll see it grow more. I agree that the convict decided to not tattle on Pip because he knew he was already in a lot of trouble, and Pip had brought him the things he asked for. I think he protected Pip for that reason.
The end of chapter four surprised me. I thought that the soldiers were there for Pip. I kinda got excited because I thought something interesting might actually happen. This chapter did however add some excitement to the story. This was the best chapter so far. Again Joe shows his liking for Pip. He allows Pip to go on the hunt with him. He even carries Pip on his back. Pip’s sister didn’t care at all that the hunt could be dangerous. When the pursuit party heard the voices calling them, I thought it might be a trick. That maybe the convicts had the villagers lead the party in a different direction. In chapter three, Pip had referred to the original convict as his friend. And in this chapter, Pip calls him “my convict.” This could mean nothing, but I think that maybe there is something to it. That Pip feels somehow connected to this man. When everyone was waiting for the prison ship, Pip’s convict didn’t act as crazy as he had in earlier chapters. He almost seemed to be smart and cunning. When the convict lied about the wittles and file, I wondered why he would do that. I know it is not out of guilt. Maybe he “confesses” so he doesn’t seem like such a bad person? Joe is oddly compassionate toward the convict.
When Pip learns that the police are after "his" convict, Dickens describes Pip as being concerned for the convicts well-being. This displays a sense of protection and compassion Pip has for this convict. Because of this unexplained care, Pip is frightened that the convict will be disappointed in him and believe that he called the police. The convict took the blame to thank Pip for doing so much for him. He wanted to return the favor.
Pip does not want the police to find the convict because he does not want the convict to come to believe that he turned him in. I think that the convict also did not point of Pip when seeing him was because Pip had done so much for him in the past. Pip had brought him food and the file, just like he had asked, and didn't tell anyone. Pip also told the convict he was glad he enjoyed the pie, and the convict thanked him. So I believe the convict was grateful for Pip, and would not blame him now. I think Joe probably knew Pip had to be involved with the convict, or has the same compassionate heart that Pip has. Joe said in Chapter 5, "We don't know what you have done, but we wouldn't have you starved to death for it, poor miserable fellow-creature. Would us, Pip?" When Joe said this, it makes me wonder if Joe knows about Pip and his relationship with the convict. It may also be possible that Joe knows that Pip has the same compassionate heart as him.
I agree on the fact that Joe and Pip didn’t wants to find the convicts because they weren’t sure what to expect. Pip also didn’t want to find the convicts because of the chance that if they saw him searching for them the convicts might think Pip was the reason for the whole search. I think the convict said he stole the goods to not only protect Pip, but to keep his options open if he ever needed anything again. If the convict escaped once, chances are he could escape again, or worse yet need help escaping. By not telling the police that Pip helped him before, the convict now can still receive help from Pip if he needs it in the future.
Joe and Pip were frightened to find the convicts, Joe being frightened on not knowing what to expect, and Pip frightened because he thought that "his" convict would turn him in. Pip was concerned for the well-being of this convict, and showed this by calling him "his" convict. Pip was also nervous because he didn't want "his" convict to believe that Pip was the one that turned them in, and Pip didn't want "his" convict to be disappointed in him. I agree with Bethany in which the convict felt a duty to protect Pip, who had not turned him in and who had stolen for him, but that he also had another motive, if he protected Pip this once, he could force Pip to retaliate once again.
As Joe and Pip are in relentless pursuit of the pair of convicts, both friends are hoping that they do not locate the escapees. More obvious of the two fears, Pip is in an anxious fear as to whether or not the convict he cooperated with would turn him in. Joe on the other hand is just in a confusion based fear, wondering what would happen if they were to find the two escaped prisoners. This is more of a fear of personal safety. In addition to that, i will have to agree with Jessica, who is agreeing with Bethany. Pip had formed a sort of secret (though extremely hazardous) accord with one of the cons, and the prisoner felt that he was obligated to protect Pip from punishment.
Both Joe and Pip probably do not want to find the convicts because there is no telling what will happen if they find them. The convicts could sneak up on them seeing as it is the middle of the night of they could resist being arrested and someone may be injured or killed. Pip also hopes they do not find the escapees because he is worried that his convict will believe that Pip led the soldiers to him and in order to spite Pip the convict may tell how Pip stole the food and the file. When the convict has to explain how he got the file he says that he stole them himself because he is going back to jail and there is no reason to get Pip in trouble. The convict might also have taken the blame because of his appreciation for Pips help furthermore the convict may also be feeling guilty for having scared Pip. The thing I find most interesting about this chapter is the fact that Pip’s convict wants the other convict in jail so bad that he is willing to go back himself. It is also apparent from what is said that they have some history together.Something tells me that this is not the last time we will see them.
Both Joe and Pip have rational fears on searching for the convict. Together, they share the fear of the unknown. Neither can know what will happen once the convict is found. Although they both have this fear, it is materialized in different ways. Joe is afraid because, well, the guy he's looking for is a convict. Obviously the convict is threatening some way or another or else he wouldn't be getting hunted. Joe has a reason to be scared. Pip on the other hand has the fear that the convict will either rat him out for stealing the supplies, or that "his" convict will believe that Pip called the cops on him. The fact that Pip calls the man "his" convict shows that there is general concern between the two and that Pip seems to have some sense of ownership/hope for the man. It is a weird relationship, but i think it adds a bit of uniqueness to the novel along with showing a part of attachment in Pip.
Pip is scared that if the soliders find the convict they will find out he stole the food and the file. Pip also thinks of the convict as "his" because Pip helped the convict out already and continues to fel slightly responsible in the situation. The convict is already surviveing because of him, and this forges a bond between the two. Joe is scared of catching the convict, of what would happen when the convict was caught.
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