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What character traits are revealed by Dickens concerning Wemmick in this chapter? How does he reveal these traits?
Wemmick sets up Herbert at Pip's request. Pip says that he is glad his expectations have done someone some good. What does he mean by that? Don't his expectations do him some good?
Here's a question: How is it that Pip sees fit to help out Herbert but does not help out Joe?
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In this chapter, Dickens proves the extent of Wemmick's contrasting personalities. Pip continues to try and set up a secretive account for Herbert to be taken out of debt. In the previous chapter, when he consulted Wemmick at the office, Wemmick advises against the idea in a very professional manner, yet hints that he would have a different response at Walworth. Now Pip travels to his castle and asks the same request to Wemmick. As he hinted before, Wemmick now has no problem with Pip lending money to Herbert and approaches the idea with enthusiasm. Also, I think Pip leans towards helping Herbert more than Joe because Herbert is part of the same social class. It would be hard for Pip to see Herbert fall into poverty from his high status in society. That may scare Pip with the possibility of that happening to him one day.
Pip thinks that if he lives up to his great expectations that maybe he will get to marry Estella and find out his benefactor. Of course Pip thinks that his great expectations have done him some good, even if they have made him into a snob. Pip can spend all the money he wants and can live with a lavish social standing. Pip believes that he is happy, but in reality, Pip has lost the things that really matter and the people who love and care for him (Joe, Mrs. Joe, and Biddy). Pip feels it neccessary and part of his great expectations to help Herbert out and Pip feels bad that Herbert does not have a lot of money and it is his fault that Herbert is in debt. Therefore, he becomes a secret benefactor to Herbert so he become a merchant and soon make his own steady income. Pip thinks that he must make up for what he has done to Herbert by buying him into the merchant business. Pip says that he is glad his expectations have done someone some good. This means that Pip may finally come to terms with the new attitude he has picked up with his rise in social standing. He feels guilty that everything he has done with his money benefitted him and nobody else and he wants to change and help someone out. Pip has realized that his expectations are not all good and some bad has come along with the rise in social standing.
Wemmick is so odd, but very entertaining. He's a grumpy, straight-shooting person in the office, and a pleasant, talkative person at home. I think Pip meant that it’s a good thing to use his expectations to help better someone else. Though by him saying that, he had a bit of underlying tension that his expectations haven't really fulfilled what he hoped it would. He realizes that his expectations have gotten him material things, but have lacked in getting him much more than that. Such as how he wants Estella, but as of now, she isn't his and he thought that his expectations would get him her. As well, I think that Pip wants to help out Herbert because he is avoiding Joe. If he were to start to help Joe out with money, at some point he would have to see Joe, and frankly Pip avoids Joe at all costs. It's like he's too much of a coward to stand next to Joe and just talk to him. Pip is really a weirdo with his relationship with Joe; they were best friends when he was young and now they are like strangers.
I find that a lot of the characters in this novel have multiple personality disorder. Wemmick, Jaggers, even Pip at times. Wemmick tells Pip not to help Herbert by giving him money, but then in this chapter, he tells him the opposite when he is at home. He is either hipocritical in different places, but quite frankly, I'm not sure what his deal is yet.
Pip wants to help out Herbert but not Joe probably because Herbert helped him out before. Joe is just someone that Pip feels he has grown too good for, even though he won't openly admit it. I feel that somewhere deep down, if Pip would just let go of his need for being higher class, Pip could actually make amends with Joe and he genuinely cares for him.
I believe that Pip is finally starting to notice how his expectations have changed him. This is probably one reason that he decides to help Herbert because now he sees that it is because of his spending habits that both he and Herbert are in debt. I also think that Pip helps Herbert over Joe because he is still trying to distance himself from anything that connects him to his past when he was still poor. I think (and hope) that Pip will now finally see what the money has done to him and how it has made him treat his true friends and maybe he will try to make up for his mistreatment of Joe and Biddy.
Wemmick is a very diffferent character. His traits contrast when he is at work and when he is within the confines of The Castle. Whenever Wemmick is outside of his home, Dickens calls his mouth a post office. Last chapter he told Pip that if he helped a friend with money, then that will be the end of it. However, in this chapter when Pip brings up helping Herbert, Wemmick thinks highly of Pip for being such a good friend. I agree with Rachel's post; I don't know what his deal is either.
When Pip said he was glad his expectations were doing someone good, he seemed to be admitting that he realized his dreams of being a gentleman weren’t as glamorous as they sounded. I think he is finally realizing that his family was more important than trying to change himself for a woman that may never love him back. However, Pip would never admit that he did wrong, so instead he tried to make himself feel better by helping someone else out. Therefore, by giving the money to Herbert anonymously, I think he was actually trying to ease his conscience by helping out a friend in need.
As mentioned above, Wemmick displays two different personalities: friendly at home, and cold in the office. It seems that in the high status society you have to be cold and have no compassion toward others to stay successful. Every person who is portrayed as wealthy also lacks the ability to emphasize and care for people. Dickens uses Wemmick to display the extent of the two opposing personalities.
I'd like to think that Pip doesn't help Joe because he believes offering him money would insult him, but I don't think that is the case. Although Pip looks like he is doing some selfless act (and he somewhat believes that too), he is, in reality, helping himself. He feels bad for putting Herbert in debt and helping him anonymously will, like said above, ease his conscience. Pip believes that because he is doing a good deed he is going to benefit himself which includes finding out who his benefactor is.
Pip is good at following the money. His expectations set out entirely for personal gain, it's interesting to see Pip actually try to help out a friend. However, readers can see Pip is more concerned about helping a dear [genteel] friend Herbert rather than his trusted guardian. Herbert has connections and money -- his business deals are likely to do some good for Pip too. Helping Joe would not likely not advance Pip in any way. Pip's a great guy...if you fall somewhere in his expectations. Fall below and don't expect anything.
I think that Pip's decision to help Herbert instead of Joe is somewhat selfish. If he were to help Joe by giving him money, there is no way that Joe would ever be able to pay Pip back. Also, if her were to help Joe, his past life which he has tried to forget will be brought back out into the open and he will have to face his past, which is something that Pip doesn’t want to do. Since Herbert has money and upper class connections, he is likely going to be able to repay him in some way in the future. Also, Pip feels bad for putting Herbert into debt, and if he helps Herbert out, he will be easing his conscience of the matter. I think that Pip believes that giving the money to Herbert will help his status because everyone will think of him as generous and helpful. I also think he is trying to prove to his benefactor that he is using the money to help people so that the benefactor will reveal his/her identity.
I really enjoyed the development of Wemmick's character in this chapter. It really made him a deeper character to me. Wemmick realizes that there are different opinions and perspectives to life that are appropriate in different situations, and there are no "right" or "wrong" answers. I think Pip being happy that his fortune does some good shows some goodness in his heart. Although it does do him some good, he wants to feel like he does some good with his surroundings. To an extent, it feels like he's forgotten totally about his old life and people in it, and that's why he's not helping Joe. No other reasons seems to make sense, but it's gotten me thinking...
It seems a bit strange it see Pip help someone, as he is now into adulthood, maybe his maturity has grown as well, or not. I think that this chapter highlights that Wemmick is very strange, an almost split personality. He first is against Pip funding Herbert business when Pip visits him at work, but later Wemmick does a 180 and agrees to help Pip, possibly from the good mood his lady friend put him in. I think that Pip is glad that he can help Herbert with the money, but Pip’s real goal for becoming a gentleman was to woo Estella, and so far, that has not happened. I think that Pip helps Herbert and not Joe because he is still too worried about public image. Pip sees Herbert as someone from his new, better life, and Joe as someone from the old life that he would like to leave behind.
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