Wednesday, August 22, 2012

The Tiger's Wife: Chapter 11

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What would it be like to watch the bombing of Bedford on TV as we sat in our Bedford homes? Would we be like the characters in the book and stick it out? Go to coffee houses? I hope it never happens, but I wonder how we'd all react. Would we make signs of protest? Would we unite to save on of the stables full of horses in the area?

Disturbing images from Zora and the narrator's experiences in the hospital. How is it possible to deal with that level of destruction to the human body?

When telling of how crippled animals are treated in the United States, the narrator says, "They're self-righting." What does she mean by this statement?

On p. 283, the narrator pontificates about the differing natures of war. What might this reflect about the author's views of war?

Review the three sections where the narrator's grandfather starts his stories about the deathless man. Do the descriptions of the grandfather's actions as he begins each part of the story reveal anything?

On the bottom of p. 284, the grandfather tells about the religious differences between he and his wife. What point is he making here?

It just occurred to me to ask this, though I have wondered it throughout the story: why does the deathless man always ask for water?

What is narghile? tumbak?

Was the woman whom the deathless man was with the same woman who abandoned Luka on his wedding day?

Why do you think the deathless man's favorite story from The Jungle Book is Rikki Tikki Tavi's story?

The deathless man says the grandfather will die with suddenness, but we know that he suffers for quite some time before his death. How does this make sense?

Is there any significance in the death of the zoo tiger?

What is the deathless man suggesting when he tells the narrator's grandfather to break the cup?

53 comments:

twirl4life said...

I think it would be frightening to watch Bedford be bombed on TV because you never know what could happen and when. I believe that families who have lived here for a long time would try to stick it out, but those who have recently moved here would probably leave.

I has to be hard to work in a hospital during a war. You have to block out the thoughts that any of what you are seeing could happen to you. As we talked about before, you have to block out death and be able to handle trauma because you have to be strong for your patients as a doctor.

When she says that the animals are self-righting, she means that they are trying to make things as normal as they can for the animals.

I believe that the author felt almost ashamed about the war and it's purpose. The war was full of hatred and she didn't like that, and in that short excerpt, that is her voicing her opinion.

At the beginning of each section where he talks about the deathless man, he seems to be reminiscing about an old friend. I think this shows that the deathless man has grown on the grandfather and is turning into sort of a friend.

When the grandfather talks about his religious differences with his wife, it proves that people can get along and live together happily even with differences among them. I think the grandfather disapproves of the war and that is just more proof of it. He think that even if there are differences in beliefs, that people should be able to get along.

A narghile is a water pipe used for smoking flavored tobacco. Tumbak is a course tobacco from Persia.

I do believe that the woman that ran away with deathless man is Amana. she seems to fit the description that Luka gave.

I think the story of Rikki Tikki Tavi is the deathless man's favorite part of "The Jungle Book" because it is about protecting others, which is what he is trying to do.

I think the deathless man says that grandfather dies with suddenness because his family didn't know so it was very sudden for them. The grandfather never revealed his illness, so the family never knew it was coming.

The significance in the death of the zoo tiger is that it was a sudden death to the end of an era, just like the grandfather's death.

Hannah Wagner said...

If Bedford were being bombed, i think most people would leave. Some people might try and stay, but perhaps eventually be forced to leave due to the danger. Personally i think the best idea would be to leave as soon as possible.

It has to be hard to work in a hospital during any time when there is human destruction, but especially during war. Staff must retain a balanced level of compassion and professionalism. They should be willing to help, but there's no way that every single person could come out perfectly fine.

I think Natalia's grandfather is trying to show that differences among humans shouldn't be a cause for conflict. Just as he and his wife were able to cope perfectly fine with coming from different religions, there is little reasoning behind fighting a war based on differences. It also shows Natalia's grandfather's view on the war as meaningless.

A narghile or hookah is a pipe used to smoke flavored tobacco, and has roots in India and Persia. Tumbak is a Persian tobacco made from a tropical plant.

The death of the tiger from the zoo represents the declining time. The fact that its death was self-inflicted also shows the self-destruction of the country.

Unknown said...

I think the point the grandfather is making about the religious differences between him and his wife is that he loves his wife enough to not care about religion. He isn't going to let a little thing come between them. He is willing to compromise.

I think the woman that ran away with the deathless man was the same as the woman that ran away from Luka. There were little things, like the fact that the man that came to stay with the woman stayed for three days and right after they both left, and the fact that this man made her start to wonder about her resolve to die a virgin. There are just too many similarities to believe it is just a coincidence.

Unknown said...

It would be absolutely terrifying to watch Bedford being bombed on TV knowing all my friends that live here and that could possibly be killed. I think most people would try to go somewhere else instead of sticking it out because that would be the safest thing to do. I know some people would protest because that is what usually happens in places where there is war. A lot of people don’t care that much about animals so I think most people would just try to save themselves instead of uniting together to save horses. I would want to save the horses but I don’t know if that would even cross my mind in a time of chaos like that. I couldn’t imagine working in a hospital during war. That would definitely be traumatizing, but for your patient’s sake, you have to be strong and professional; let the emotions out after the job is done and definitely get some kind of therapy.
The way Natalia was talking about how the people would take care of the animals and make a wheel chair for them before she said “They’re self-righting” told me that animals would accept the care they received form humans. The author obviously doesn’t support the war and war makes the author sad. “Because I have loved it all my life. My finest memories are here- my wife, my child. This, all this, is going to hell tomorrow.” When the grandfather said this it made me sympathize for him. The author was trying to say that where ever war happens, things that people love will be destroyed. The grandfather’s actions show that each interaction he has with the deathless man, he is becoming closer to him; in this interaction he refers to the deathless man as his friend.
The point that the grandfather is making when he talks about the religious differences between him and his wife is that he will love her no matter what. He said he wouldn’t care if she was a catholic. I still don’t understand the reason for the deathless man always asking for water. What would happen to him if he was deprived of water? He couldn’t possibly die. Narghile is an oriental tobacco pipe with a long tube that draws the smoke through water; a hookah. Tumbak refers simply to tobacco, not necessarily flavored or sweetened. I don’t think that the woman who abandoned Luka was the same woman who the deathless man referred to. The deathless man said the woman played the gusla and the woman who abandoned Luka only sang with Luka while he played the gusla.
Rikki Tikki Tavi’s story is about protecting people and the deathless man learned to protect people like the old waiter by not telling them that they were going to die. The deathless man told the grandfather he was going to die in suddenness so he wouldn’t be scared or try to plan like he said he plans everything. I don’t think the tiger’s death was significant but I thought it was very sad. When the deathless man tells the grandfather to break the cup he is suggesting to go on with life.

Lindsey said...

To watch the bombing of Bedford on TV would be absolutely devastating. I am not sure what I would do, but I think I would most likely sit with my family surrounding me in my home and just watch the TV in shock. I'm sure we would pray like crazy, and assuming there was no way of escape, I think we would try to enjoy our last moments together. I'm sure the words "I'm going to die today" would most likely be streaming through my head making me paranoid.
It is only possible to deal with the level of destruction to the body that Zora and the narrator experience by maintaining a calm, compassionate, and to be honest "gutsy" mentality. The things that they saw are things that could never truly be believed until one sees it for him/herself. It would take someone who is completely devoted to their work, and someone who loves the field. That is not anything I could stick around for!
The grandfather tells about the religious differences between he and his wife so that he can make the point that love overcomes differences. Although they come from two different religions, the grandfather loves the grandmother with everything he has, and he disregards religion as a factor that keeps them apart. On the bottom of page 284, the grandfather says "I married your grandmother in a church, but I would still have married her if her family had asked me to be married by a hodza". He then proceeds to make a statement about honoring each other's religion and accepting that they have religious differences, but they are still in love.
The deathless man's favorite story from the Jungle Book is Rikki Tikki Tavi because they both have sly, "trickster" type personalities.
When the deathless man suggests that the grandfather break the cup, he is assuring him that he does not want to know when he is going to die. When you know the day you will die, you live with anxiety and in fear. The deathless man tells the grandfather that dying suddenly is best, and he needs to enjoy all of the time that he has left with the ones he loves.

Mariah said...

I don't think that the bombing of Bedford being watch on t.v. would feel real at all. We (for the most part) life in a safe, and calm area, and for something like that to happen I wouldn't believe it. I think that if it were to happen everyone would stick together and stick it out. The signs might not be very practical but the horses would be a possibility.
I don't think that humans can handle that level of human body destruction with out putting up an internal wall to block some of it out. Sure we remember horrific scenes like no body's business but our minds try to keep us from having to deal with all of it and make us believe that it isn't that bad.
The only explanation that I can think of for the water and the deathless man is that when humans sleep their bodies absorb and use a lot of the water in their systems and if the deathless man is in an almost sleep like death sleep than maybe his body uses a lot of water up.

Brittany Fisher said...

Watching Bedford being bombed on TV would be absolutely terrifying. I don't know if I'd stick it out or not. While it's where I grew up, I think safety is more important. Also, I don't think I'd be able to handle watching it on TV. Watching everything I know be destroyed would awful.
A narghile is a water pipe used for smoking flavored tobacco. Tumbak is a coarse Persian tobacco.

Megan Johnson said...

I truly do not know what would happen if bombing started going off in Bedford. I think most people would react in a drastic way. The city of Bedford would be in chaos at first, but as time went on I think people would try to get back to their daily routines and lives.

To deal with seeing bodies that destroyed every day you would have to have a gut. People who deal with torn apart bodies need to be compassionate and gentle. You can not be an aggressive person when it comes to working in a hospital and with people in such conditions.

When Natalia's grandfather talks about the differece in religion between his wife and him, he is just trying to make the point that religion does not matter when it comes to loving someone.

I think the deathless man always asks for water because he is never satisified when it comes to thirst.

Morgan Rinckey said...

If the citizens of Bedford were all watching it being bombed, all havoic would insue. There would be some dare devils outside watching it happen live, a few taking dvantage of the chaos to loot the Kroger. Anall the others would be reclusive and sit in their basements til it is over.


The deathless man always asks for water because that is the dying request of many people. That is the only answer I could come up with. Maybe since he can't feel his own pain, he is cursed to feel everyone else's dying pain.

A narghile is a water pipe for smoking. And a tumbak is a Persian tobacco product made from a tropical American plant. (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary)

Becky said...

As many have said-- and I definitely agree-- I would be devastated to see the destruction and fall of Bedford Township on television. It would be hard for me to leave the town of Temperance in which I've lived most of my life in, but in the situation of bombings and fear struck in my heart, I would have no choice but to leave to save my life as well as my family's. To many people, I could see them standing up in pritest and ready to fight back against our enemy (whoever it may be).

The deathless man has amazed me once again. As the narrator's grandfather looked over at the other man who had been on the same balcony as him, I-- to be honest-- didn't think that it would be the deathless man. Of course, when he overheard the man wanting water, my thoughts were locked in as to why he was there and how he knew Natalia's grandfather was there. I was upset when the deathless man talked about whose death was to come about during the bombing. I wondered why the deathless man said that the narrator's grandfather's death was gonna be in "suddeness", but after reading and reading, I thought that maybe it was because while through the grandfather's suffering, he (or we) would never know when death would finally separate his soul from his body.

The reason that the deathless man likes the story of Rikki-Tikki-Tavi because the young mongoose had been drowning in the river but was saved by a human family; and through many near-death fights against the two cobras Nag and Nagaina, Rikki Tikki is able to stay strong and live. Of course, the deathless man can very much relate to the story.

Katelyn said...

I would most definitely be devastated to watch Bedford being bombed on TV. I think many people would try to stick it out because they would feel safest in their own homes. I, personally, would try to get as far away as I could until it was over.
A narghile is a pipe that is used for smoking tobacco and tumbuk is a type of Persian tobacco.

Unknown said...

I cannot imagine sitting in my living room with my family, watching the bombing of our community. I don’t know how I would react to watching the buildings I have known my whole life, getting destroyed. I think I would go out, and go shopping, and try to live like normal…otherwise I would go insane knowing everything was destroyed. I don’t think we would really unite together as a community in Bedford, as much as Toledo, a city we rely on. I think we would all be out trying to save the zoo, and making sure all of the animals were “okay.”

The narrator is trying to point out the religious differences between him and his wife because he believes somebody’s beliefs shouldn’t dictate their life. He finds it unfair when they speak of destroying the Muslims downriver, and finds in unnecessary.

I noticed the water thing to…maybe to purify him? I am unsure though, maybe it is just coincidence. The deathless man suggests breaking the cup because he wants to see the grandfather continue on with his life.

I believe the same woman in the deathless mans story is the same woman who abandoned Luka on his wedding day. The woman in Luka’s story fell in love with the “physician” who gave her hope, which would be the deathless man.

Maybe the grandfather dies in the sense he has lost all hope in the situation. The grandfather is upset about the impending loss of Sarobor, and he was intending on staying there for the night.

Annie Valade said...

I actually was imagining what it would be like watching my country fall apart while I was reading. I'd be that person wandering around crying because they wouldn't know how to cope with it.
I'd like to think someone would help me snap out of it and I'd join them to help others.
I think it takes a strong person to handle high levels of destruction to the human body. Zora and Natalia must be strong to deal with all of the patients they see.
A narghile is a water pipe and tumbak is a type of tobacco.
The grandfather's death isn't sudden to himself but to his family. They did not know of his illness, so they find it to be a shock.
The death of the zoo tiger is very significant. It's also a good symbol. The tiger inflicts strong self-destruction symbolizing the destruction in the Balkans due to the war.

Unknown said...

Thinking that Bedford could get bombed and then watching on TV is over my head! I honestly wouldn't be able to move because I would be in shock. To reall think about it seems so weird because this happens overseas more than we think. Freaky thought...

In my opinion, the deathless man always asks for water because it seems like that is one of the one reasonable things to ask for right before you die. But still I'm not positive if there was an actual point with that.

A narghile is a pipe used to smoke flavored tobacco. Tumbak is a tobacco made from some sort of tropical plant.

Unknown said...

I would be absolutely terrified to watch the bombing of Bedford while I was still in Bedford. I feel like many of us would want to leave, but some might stay. I think it would be mass chaos.

As bad as I feel saying this, I think that Zora and the narrator have almost become numb to that much destruction, since they are seeing it over and over again. I'm sure they had a hard time with it for a while though.

I really think that Amana is the same women who leaves Luka on their wedding day to go and be with the deathless man. Both girls are described as daughters of merchants, and she was also seen by a "miracle worker" while she was sick.

The grandfather dies with suddenness not because he suffers for a long time, but because it was when it happened. He knew he had an illness, he just didn't know when he was going to go. It also could mean how it was a sudden death to his family, especially his wife who didn't know anything about the illness.

The deathless man is suggesting to the narrators grandfather that he should forget about what is planned for him and choose to not die yet. However, the grandfather is unsure of what the deathless man sees in his cup all together.

Elise.G. said...

To watch the bombing of Bedford would be totally surreal. I'm sure that there would be some people who would stay, but for the most part I think the majority of people would evacuate, or try.
When Natalia's grandfather points out the religious differences between him and his wife, I think he's making the point that things like a difference in religion or where your name comes from shouldn't be the end all be all, that really all we want is love and someone.
I have no idea why, and I'm very curious as to why the deathless man always asks for water.
I think that it is Amana from Luka's story who was with the deathless man.
I think the deathless man's favorite story is Rikki Tikki Tavi because there were several accounts in which he should have died, but didn't- just as the deathless man.
The grandfather's death is sudden, I think, in that he never knew exactly when it was going to happen, and that his family (save Natalia) didn't know about his illness.
The death of the tiger is significant in that it represents the present state of the country at the time. The tiger was constantly deteriorating, just as the country, and his death was at his own hands (or paws) which represents the self destruction.

Anonymous said...

The deathless man says the grandfather will die in suddenness, but we know he suffers for quite some time before his death. This makes sense because the grandfather's illness isn't what killed him. Natalia's grandfather was sick for months, but when he entered the village of Zdrevkov another outside force ended his life, quite unexpectedly. What exactly caused it, is what Natalia is trying to figure out.


I believe the death of the tiger at the zoo symbolizes lost hope. The zoo is giving up on the tiger's potential of getting well, just as society is giving up on the war. Many people begin to protest and rebel, in order to show their lack of support. This in turn, leads to chaos and depression.

When the deathless man tells Natalia's grandfather to break the cup, he is suggesting that this time the outcome might be different than the previous times. The deathless man likes to make statements like this to show that he knows more than the average person.

Unknown said...

Watching the bombing of Bedford would be unreal...I honestly think it was a cruel joke at first. It would be a lot like the bombing of 9/11 I suppose. Many would die and many would be heroic and try to go in and save whatever they can. I think because Bedford isn't that large of a community, that we all would come together and protest. Look how everyone comes together for events such as relay for life or even a Bedford football game. We live in a supportive community and I can't see us leaving Bedford without a fight.

Many people have different views when it comes to religion. Whether you make it a problem or not is your choice. He chooses to love his wife for her and all of her including her different views. He respects her and she respects him and thats what makes for a good marriage.

I have no idea why the deathless man asks for water! I'm guessing his special cup has something to do with it. But then again why would he offer to give his cup away if that was what was sustaining him...

Paige said...

Watching the bombing of Bedford would be unbearable. To see place that I've grown up be completely destroyed would be sad.

The only thing I can think of that helps Zora and Natalia get through the gruesomeness of the hospital is that they are doing what they love: helping people in need.

Natalia's grandfather includes the religious differences between he and his wife in an effort to show that they can live together without fighting just as the two countries should.

As for the deathless man always asking for water.. Good question. Maybe being unable to die makes a man thirsty?

A narghile is another term for hookah, a single or multi-stemmed device for smoking flavored tobacco. Tumbak is a word that means tobacco.

The woman the deathless man was with was Amana, the same woman who left Luka. She stayed with the deathless man because he saved her from death.

It makes sense that the grandfather will die with suddenness even though he has been sick for a while because it is sudden to his family.

The death of the tiger is significant because the tigers meant a lot to Natalia's grandfather.

The deathless man is suggesting that the grandfather is choosing to stay alive through the bombing.

Karee.Kunkel said...

If there was ever a bombing in Bedford I think most people would leave. Some people would probably attempt to stay, and would most likely be forced to ride out the storm, because once the bombings begin there would not be an opening to leave. If it were up to me, I would leave as soon as possible.
To be a hospital employee at a time of human destruction would be horrible. The only thing that could help ease the situation is knowing you have the power to save someone. Unfortunately, not everyone will leave the hospital, because there is not always an opportunity to save someone.
I think Natalia’s grandfather is trying to show that although everyone is different, that should not cause problems. The idea of being able to use someone’s unique viewpoint to help expand your own horizons is something people should take advantage of. The point her grandfather is making is that war is pointless and unexplainable.
I think the deathless man’s favorite story from the Jungle Book is Rikki Tikki Tavi’s story, because the story is about defying odds and surviving, which is something that he can relate to.

Sammy W said...

I would be scared to death to watch bedford be bombed on t.v. yet still be in bedford. I would leave before that every happened.
It takes certain skills that not everyone has to deal with that level of destruction and still be able to function. For them they also love what they do(helping the sick and wounded) so it makes it a little easier.

Ben Wexler said...

The symbolic significance of the deathless man experiencing thirst and requesting water is greater than I first realized upon my initial reading of the book. Thirst is one of the most intense urges a body can undergo – it cannot be ignored until it is satiated. By not being able to die, the deathless man would have to endure incredible suffering, much to his uncle’s delight I suspect. It is very reminiscent of the Life of Pi. Thirst is also a craving, albeit simply for water. I believe the deathless man’s thirst is for the pleasurable experiences of his youth and for his wife and to be separated from the punishment he was enduring. In Buddhism, thirst, and by extension craving, desires, and greed, give rise to every other form of suffering. I am not asserting that Buddhism plays a factor in this novel, but it is representative of what many religions liken thirst to. By asking for water, the deathless man is asking to rid himself of his suffering and to live happily and peacefully, or at least neutrally.

Amalie Farah said...

The narrator’s grandfather dies suddenly even though he knows he is sick because it is sudden to his family. His wife and daughter had no idea that he was ill so when he passed away, it seems very abrupt. Although he knew he was sick, his death still could have been sudden to him as well, because he didn’t know when he was going to die, even if he knew he was close to dying.

The death of the zoo tiger is significant because it shows the loss of hope in the community and the stoicism that has come over many people. The zookeepers losing hope in the idea that the tiger might get better once the bombing ends mirrors the townspeople’s dwindling hope in returning to normal lives when the war is over. The fact that the zookeeper who nursed the tiger and had basically raised it like it was his own beloved pet ended up shooting the tiger shows that many people are beginning to have a dry, unconcerned outlook on things that generally invoke a lot of emotion.

When the deathless man tells the narrator’s grandfather to break the cup, he is suggesting that he will not die on that night and maybe that the deathless man won’t even be with him when he dies. Because he is supposed to die suddenly, the deathless man is probably trying to point out that when it is the grandfather’s time to die, he will not be warned by a coffee cup.

Narghile is the Arabic word for hookah, which is a water pipe used to smoke flavored tobacco.

After chapter 7, I thought that the woman the deathless man was with was the woman Luka was supposed to marry, but now after reading that she played the gusla on the bridge, I am sure that she is Amana.

Audrey said...

I think the reason that the deathless man always asks for water has something to do with the cup that his uncle gave him.
I think the fact that Natalia's grandfather and the tiger at the zoo that she always associated with him died right after eachother is a little eerie.
A narghile is a water pipe that is used for smoking.

Aaron Hilsenbeck said...

If Bedford were being bombed, I would not be able to sit around and watch it. It would devastate me to see my childhood being destroyed and going up in flames. I would want to leave as soon as possible.

With every story of the deathless man, the beginning becomes friendlier and friendlier towards the deathless man. It shows how the deathless man has gone from a stranger whom the grandfather doubts to nearly a friend.

I believe that the grandfather wants to make the point of how no matter what background people come from they can live together happily.

I think that, in addition to not being able to die, the deathless man was also cursed with a never-ending thirst.

I believe that the woman whom the deathless man fell in love with was also Amana from the story of Luka.

chang said...

If Bedford was getting bombed I would probably dig a bomb shelter and live in there. I would stock it with food and bring a TV. So then I could watch and still be safe from the bombs. I wouldn’t be going to a coffee shop because there’s no protection there and for the horses I would just let them out to run around so that they actually stood a chance.

I think to deal with such destruction you would have to be really strong minded. Many people can snap because of all the death and destruction around them. It would be a depressing place to work at knowing that people will be suffering and that they will eventually die.

I think that there is a good chance that the woman who left Luka was the one who ran off with the deathless man. In the story every doctor said that the girl was going to die. So that probably meant that they were right. But the deathless man probably saved her from the death because they fell in love and that is how he became the deathless man.

Blake Miller said...

To have to watch a bombing of Bedford, while I am in Bedford would not be a fun time. I would probably be a little stressed and attempt to occupy my time in another way than watching Bedford get blown up. I'd leave it to my parents to keep my informed. I would most likely just stick with my parents and let them make the decisions of what to do and when to do it.
The reward of you making a difference and possibly even saving a couple peoples lives is most likely what gets people through working in hospitals during war time. The fact that you are helping people and their family's just by easing the pain or saving the patient.
The deathless man might always ask for water to make himself seem more alive to others.
Narghile is a pipe used to smoke tobacco and Tumbak is a type of Persian tobacco.
The deathless man tells the grandfather his death will be very sudden regardless of his illness being present for quite some time because it is sudden for his family. He told only Natalia of his illness, so when the rest of his family found out it was a very sudden surprise.

Erin Mulleavy said...

First of all, I can't even imagine what it would be like to watch a bombing of Bedford on TV. It just seems so bizarre to me. I think that people would be like the characters in the book and stick it out. So many people in this community have family and roots here and I don't think that the would be so quick to leave that.
Personally, I want to be a doctor someday and I think about how I'm going to deal with the dextruction of the human body all the time. I agree with Karee, I think that the overwhelming urge to save someone's life overpowers the emotional impact of the situations that doctors have to face. Doctors have the training to deal with tragic situations and are able to "cut off their emotions" to do what is needed.

Unknown said...

It would be awful to watch Bedford being bombed, I would be so scared. I would definitely leave. I feel like most people would leave too. I think even the people that stayed would eventually be forced to leave because it’s too dangerous to stay.
It has to be really difficult to work in a hospital during a war. I would not be able to do it personally; I’m just not good with other people’s injuries. You would have to be able to handle all the stress and trauma that you are constantly seeing and trying to take care of.
A narghile is a water pipe used for smoking. A tumbak is a Persian tobacco product. It’s made from a tropical American plant.

Alyssa Sander said...

I think if Bedford was under attack our town would be freaking out and not be so calm like they are in the book. I don't think horses would be the first thing on peoples minds but you never know unless it happens.

I think when Natalias grandfaher talks about the different religious views between him and his wife he is showing that it doesnt matter if you have the same religion or different religions people can becomes one.

I wonder if maybe water is what makes him become deathless?

I think that maybe the grandfather was suffering but when he went on his trip he died suddenly. Maybe the death was not from his cancer. Or maybe it was just sudden for his family and even though he knew it was coming ebcause he was suffering he did not expect it so soon.

Syoma said...

It would probably be really scary to watch bedford be bombed on TV. If bedford was getting bombed my first intention would not be to watch tv, it would be to drive far away. Everybody wwould probably react the same way. Frightend. My family is doctors, and i dont know how they deal with it because im not a big fan of watching people throw up, or looking at their 5 inch deep cuts. The author does not like the war. The point that the grandfather is making about religious differences is that he will love his wife no matter what, and that when you love someone it doesnt matter what religion they are. Narghilr is a water pipe which is used for smoking. Tumback is tobacco. I dont know why the deathless man favorites that story. Natalias grandfather dies slowly in a way, but in a family way he died suddenly, because his family didnt know he was dying. The significance in the death of the zoo tiger is that they were both sudden. I think the deathless man always asks for water because people need water to live so maybe everytime he drinks a cup somebody has died of thirst?

Thalia M. said...

I cannot imagine Bedford being bombed! However, if it were to happen I believe that everyone would act differently. Some people would try to run to safety, others would stay together with their family, some might try to fight back somehow, and a few might even just be in too much shock to do anything. Overall it would be an extremely chaotic mess.
I have no idea as to why the deathless man always asks for water, although it is pretty curious. Maybe because water is a necessity for survival?
A narghile is a water pipe, or better known as hookah, and tumbak is tobacco.
Even though the grandfather suffers before he dies, his death was unexpected and there were no signs foreshadowing his death right before it happened.

Reem said...

It would definitely be an adjustment. Yeah, I think a lot of people would simply stay in their home, especially in the beginning. I don't think people would stay that way though if they had just as much liklihood of getting bombed inside their homes as outside their homes. I'm sure we all hope we are the type of community that would come together and help one another but we'll never really know until something like that were to god-forbid happen. I'm sure some of us would protest if we knew it would bring about some kind of result, otherwise we would adapt as well as we could and just keep living our lives.

It is possible to deal with that level of destruction to the human body simply because of how destructed it is. You may be able to forget that it is human at all. If you are not able to, then at some point you would be able to become desensitized over time. Otherwise people such as anthropologists and medics/doctors belonging to organizations such as the UN or doctors without borders. They have to deal with the atrocities of war or genocide.

Self-righting: Fixing them, bringing normalcy, righting the wrongs that should not be found in nature, etc. (War itself is wrong)

Every section relating to the deathless man begins with the grandfather doing kind acts as a doctor for others, which makes you think he's a pretty awesome guy.

You could think about the pure connotations connected to water and how immortality is considered to be unnatural. It makes sense that he should often need water.

He's basically saying that the religious differences between him and his wife aren't enough to separate them, let alone cause so much hate between people.

Narghile is an instrument for smoking flavored tobacco which is called sheesha. Most Arabs don't pronounce the "n," and it is kept silent. It's what English-speakers call hookah. In the book, however, they smoke tumbak, which is another type of tobacco.

M.Martin said...

If there was a bombing close to or in our home town I think people would hide in their homes or leave town. I definitely don’t see people becoming more outgoing. People would be too afraid to stick it out or work together.
As disgusting as Natalia and Zora’s experiences sound, it doesn’t surprise me that a person could get used to witnessing that level of destruction to the human body. Doctor’s deal with these type of experiences every day.
When Natalia’s grandfather tells us about the religious differences between he and his wife he is pointing out that there are many differences in the world and people often pick and choose sides to these differences. Just because there are different sides and viewpoints doesn’t mean it can’t be worked out. When there is a will there is a way. It requires give and take’s from each side.

Claire13 said...

To watch Bedford being bombed on TV would be horrifying. I personally would not stay and stick it out but I would try to get as far away from Bedford as possible. I think that everyone around Bedford would react in chaotic ways and probably all try to leave the area. As much as I say I don't like living in Bedford it would still be devastating to see it happen since so many memories are here. I think that the author feels a strong hate for war. When the fight is about unraveling as she said there is nothing but hate. A narghile is a water pipe for smoking, tumbak is a coarse Persian tobacco.

Unknown said...

If I was in Bedford while Bedford was being bombed, I would get to some sort of shelter. I wouldn't go out and protest. I would either get to my basement with a ton of food or high tail it to the nearest town.

A narghile is a hookah, and tumbak is tobacco.

I believe the deathless man always asks for water because his thirst can never be quenched.

Emily.Modrowski said...

In my opinion her grandfather told her about their religious differences to show her not to let things like that get in the way of someone you care about. It is very interesting that the deathless man always asks for water, but i can't really figure out a good reason for why he does this. But I do think that the woman with him is the woman who abandoned Luka.

Tessa Savino said...

If I turned on my tv and had to watch bedford get bombed I would be in a panick, along with probably everyone else in town. Maybe after everything happened we could try to move on and act like nothing happened.

A narghile is a pipe used to smoke the tropical plant Tumback and flavored tobacco.

Josh Tillman said...

A narghile is a pipe used to smoke flavored tobaccos. A tumbak is a Persian tobacco. Watching Bedford get bombed would suck bunches. I'd like to say that I would do what I can to help the community and that I would be brave in death. It's easier said than done though. Deathless man always asks for water because he is thirsty...duh?!

Anonymous said...

Bedford being bombed around me? I guess the correct responce would to say its scary and that i would leave, but truthfully I would just leave "Home" holds no heart warming meaning to me, home is a house that I reside in. I invite change, I like change, I thrive off change. I could say that yes i would be a bit bothered by the thought of friends being left to die, but life moves on. It's hard to deal with the destruction of the body, bone is a scary thing to see, elaphants and humans are the only mammals that are scared of bones. To see a body disfigured or in peices is a hard thing to see. I think the deathless man always asks for water because water is the thing that gives us life, think of Pi and what he would have done for water.

Kelso Stark said...

I'm pretty sure Bedford would just sit by and do nothing. I vaguely remember Mrs. Romak saying my sophomore year that today's generation doesn't really do anything meaningful because they don't care. Then again, maybe if we got bombed, it would change us.

For the doctors, most doctors love that type of stuff; the more interesting it is, the better. For the patient, the body can withstand a lot of trauma. It's the mind that's the problem.

It is possible that Natalia means that US citizens are self-rightous... or it could mean that US citizens have the compassion to help those animals instead of putting them down.

The narrator's view on wars reflects the author's thoughts that some wars that are fought for something, like independence; are meaningful, while other wars like wars fought over territory are stupid and will constantly go on.

The actions of the grandfather at the beginning of the third deathless man story again reflects the war; even though he is from the side plotting to bomb Sabodor, he still goes there to day goodbye because it's meaningful for him.

He is making the point that he doesn't love his wife for her religion, he loves her.

I'm not sure why the deathless man asks for water. Originally I wondered if he was immortal as long as he drank water, but after it's revealed that his uncle is supposedly death, this theory goes down the drain.

From all the information gathered in previous chapters, I'd say that the deathless man's love interest Luka's bride is definately the same. I wonder if the grandfather ever made this connection, or if he didn't know enough about Luka's life to figure this out.

The fact that the grandfather dies suddenly could be connected to the fact he dies alone, in a town he supposedly doesn't have any reason for being there.

The deathless man may be suggesting that the grandfather will survive or escape the bombing, that his death isn't yet.

Logan Smith said...

Most people would say that they would be devastated to see bedford up in flames. I would disagree. Good riddance, Bedford hasn't done a whole lot of anything for anybody, so as long as my family was safe, I could care less. I would leave like most others would.

To deal with such turmoil, one would have to shut off their emotions. Like I said most people would leave because of the fact of all the death and depression.

I believe the woman that ran away ran away to escape death and fell in love with the deathless man because of such a strong fear of death.

CiaraKoss said...

If Bedford was bombed, I think it'd be pandemonium. Bedford isn't exactly the biggest township around, and it sure isn't larger than a country. Natalia said that everyone where she lived went on with their lives as though the war wasn't happening simply because it was many miles away. Here, one place is never that far away from another. The fact that wherever the bombs landed would be too close to our own homes would cause everyone to panic and we'd all be running around like chickens with our heads cut off, because the possibility of one's house getting hit would be way too great.

I think what Natalia means by saying, "They're self-righting," is that people in the United States tend to bring about the injuries of animals, even if accidentally. However, instead of just leaving them to die, others come along and fix the animals up so they're nearly good as new.

Jamie M. said...

People are becoming more and more skeptical nowadays, probably because of the internet and other mass media. If people were watching Bedford being bombed on TV, I'm not sure that they would believe it was happening. 'Photoshop', they would cry, 'camera trickery, like the kind they used in Avatar!'.

If they did believe it, however, I think most people would flee. For the most part, I don't see the same kind of attachment to one's home in Bedford that I do in other parts of the world.

Sophia Marciniak said...

We would all like to say that if there were a bombing in Bedford that we would unite and protect each other, but I can't see it happening. Instead I think that most people would take their family and flea from the threat.
In order to deal with the disturbing images of seeing the human body so destroyed, I think one would have to pretend that it is not human. In doing so, you could convince yourself that it is not real.
The deathless man always asks for water because he is always thirsty and his thirst is never quenched.
When the deathless man tells the narrator's grandfather to break the cup, he is suggesting that his death is approaching.

Andrew Gin said...

I do not know about everyone else, but if Bedford gets bombed, I am leaving.

As was said in the last blog post of Life of Pi, the human mind has an amazing way of coping. The level of trauma experienced during the bombing, although it may seem extreme, is nothing compared to what the Jews experienced in concentration camps or what American POWs experienced in Japan. If people can find ways to live through that level of stress, Zora and Natalia can certainly find ways to deal with the hospital.

I could come up with quite a few possible reasons for the deathless man asking for water. The one I would like to think is that somehow death had to alter him biologically to make him deathless. He must need to drink water at certain times for one reason or another.

A narghile is a pipe (hookah) the deathless man and Natalia's father used to smoke tumbak.

Perhaps there is something more than the disease that the grandfather has that led to his death. If not, he must have been surprised when death came, despite his disease.

Andrew Gin said...

I do not know about everyone else, but if Bedford gets bombed, I am leaving.

As was said in the last blog post of Life of Pi, the human mind has an amazing way of coping. The level of trauma experienced during the bombing, although it may seem extreme, is nothing compared to what the Jews experienced in concentration camps or what American POWs experienced in Japan. If people can find ways to live through that level of stress, Zora and Natalia can certainly find ways to deal with the hospital.

I could come up with quite a few possible reasons for the deathless man asking for water. The one I would like to think is that somehow death had to alter him biologically to make him deathless. He must need to drink water at certain times for one reason or another.

A narghile is a pipe (hookah) the deathless man and Natalia's father used to smoke tumbak.

Perhaps there is something more than the disease that the grandfather has that led to his death. If not, he must have been surprised when death came, despite his disease.

Nicole Whitaker said...

Working in a hospital in times of war has to be very pretty gruesome. I think you have to be a very strong person to handle the amount of injuries sustained by victims of war.

The point grandfather is trying to make when he is talking about the religious differences he has with his wife, is that people should be able to get along no matter what their opinions are. This also shows how little grandfather thinks of war.

Josh Ortiz said...

If bedford would to be bombed i would just move into my bomb shelter and watch netflix till things on the outside calmed down a little bit,the deathless man asks for water because everyone gets thirsty.. even someone that cannot die! and a narghile is a hookah

Kailey Doherty said...

As much as I dislike living in a little town like Bedford, I would be devastated if it were bombed. I've been living here since the third grade and as much as I hate it, it's my home. I want to say everyone would unite and save everyone but like stated above, I also doubt it would happen.

A narghile is a hookah and tumbak is a Persian tobacco derived from a tropical American plant. Natalia's father and the deathless man would smoke the narghile.

Meghan said...

The point the grandfather was trying to make on pg. 284 is that in the end religion means less the last moments of your life. What's more important is knowing you have someone dear in the end. The grandfather probably thought that he would somehow recover from his illness and not actually die, or the grandfather died from something totally different from what he was dying from.

Hannah.Kessler said...

The Deathless man has grown a lot throughout the stories. First he was getting shot in the head because he was telling people they were going to die and now he is making peoples last day special, he makes them happy. So by telling the narrator’s grandfather he will die in “suddenness” he is saying that when your time comes, it comes. Yes, he knows he is dying and has suffered, but he still does not know the exact time and day he dies. The deathless man is suggesting that it is not beneficial to know when you will die because that wouldn’t solve anything. You would just spend the rest of your days counting down to that one day. Everyone lives to die, so if you know the final day you don’t really live, you just wait. The deathless man says the doctor will die in suddenness because he has come to realize that is how everyone should die, so they can live instead of wait.
The death of the Tiger represents the death of hope and innocence in that town. Throughout the novel the animals are a representation of calmness, normalcy, and hope. When the tiger dies all of that dies with it. The war is coming closer to home, routines are messed up and it is chaos. The fact that the tiger did it to himself shows that the town destroyed itself. It is their destructive nature that started the war and they killed the innocence of the human race.

Justins Blog said...

Come on Mr. Earl.. it would be physically impossible for me to witness the bombing of Bedford. Need an explanation as to why? WELL CERTAINLY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqz5dbs5zmo

and I'll just leave this... right here. Just for you.